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Here we provide the official interviews referenced in National Security Alert. As stated in the video, many of the north side approach witnesses presented are on record placing the plane on the same north side approach flight path during official interviews conducted only weeks after the event. This eliminates the notion that they are remembering inaccurately due to faded memory.

These interviews came from two sources: The Center for Military History (CMH) and the Library of Congress (LoC).  All Center for Military History interviews have been obtained via Freedom of Information Act Request, and all interviews from the Library of Congress are available for download on their website.

The interviews released by the Center for Military History had the names redacted, meaning that they were not (readily) independently verifiable, and thus subject to having been manipulated or fabricated.  That would change, of course, if we could figure out who the witnesses were and contact them directly to confirm their accounts first-hand. Only then could their accounts rightly be considered independent verifiable evidence.  We were successful at finding all of the most pertinent witnesses who claimed to have seen the plane and had the most critical vantage points to be able to tell if the plane was north or south of the gas station. These were primarily employees at Arlington National Cemetery (ANC).  One of the witnesses, Darrell Stafford, had stated to the CMH that he was the “interment foreman” which is what helped us track him down.

 
Darrell Stafford



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CMH catalog number: NEIT-420
Interview date: 12/13/2001





 





























 

  Darrell is the Internment Foreman for Arlington National Cemetery and was at work in front of the maintenance buildings with employees Darius Prather and Donald Carter when he saw the plane on 9/11.  In his interview with the CMH conducted and recorded on December 13, 2001, he describes the plane as being "just about on top of" a building.  The interviewer didn't press for specific details regarding the exact location of the plane, but Darrell has now confirmed in an on-camera interview that the “building” he was describing the plane as “scraping” was the Navy Annex, and that it then flew almost “on top” of him while he stood in the parking lot just outside of the ANC maintenance buildings, which of course is the north side approach.

Quote from NEIT-420 (p. 4;emphasis added):
.....we were all about to go back to work and do some of the duties right in this area and we were kind of facing this way and I'm walking in this direction and . . . and this is just about on top of the building, scraping the building, it's like, no, this isn't right, basically and in that second, I was telling the guys, look out, look out, I think he's coming in.

[...]

...and it went by, right passed out and went of there and I guess a lot of, maybe, my mind was thinking it's really huge.  I guess it was pretty big to be on top of you......The wing span was out here somewhere
Here is the flight path that Darrell drew during our June 2008 interview with him, excerpts of which are seen in National Security Alert.

Darius Prather



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CMH catalog number: NEIT-422
Interview date: 12/12/2001

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Darius Prather is another Arlington Cemetery employee who was with witness Darrell Stafford.

You can actually hear him specifically describe the plane on a north side approach to the CMH in this audio interview recorded December 12th, 2001 (emphasis added):

Prather: Up there, where that building is, right there.

CMH officer: Towards the Navy Annex...

Prather: The Navy Annex, above midway. You can see where is a little area on the roof... the lower roof [...]. Right along in that area is where the American Airlines plane came directly across that, and it was only about 3 and half or 4 feet above that. We thought it was the weirdest thing. "It is too damn low", we were saying [...].

So as it came across there... and once the plane came across the building it lowered down [...], it came on down in between where the gas station [CITGO] is and our parking lot. [...] Then he just aimed that nose of the plane like a missile straight over the Pentagon. So as it came right there everybody just ran. I ran into the [inaudible]. [...]

Here is the flight path that Darius drew during our June 2008 interview with him, excerpts of which are seen in National Security Alert.



 

William Middleton



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CMH catalog number: NEIT-427
Interview date: 12/12/2001







 
  William is another Arlington Cemetery employee who had a completely different vantage point from the other employees interviewed. He too described a north side approach in this recorded interview from December 12, 2001 (emphasis added):

William Middleton: As I made a turn to come back I heard this whistling noise as if it was coming behind me. So when I turned to look, I seen this big large airplane beside me.

CMH officer: Where were you at?

Middleton: Uh Patton Drive.

CMH: And where’s that positioned from here?

Middleton: That’s approximately right up the street up here.

CMH: Maybe you can take us up there?

Middleton: Yeah. I can show you the exact location where I was. And then the sound was a big whistling sound, wheeeeeuu, when I looked I seen the plane beside me and, I can’t use the language on tape that I used but I asked where in the ‘H’ is he goin? Then when I looked I seen he was kind of fighting with the plane. And he glazed over like our parking lot here and made a turn toward the Pentagon….

[…]

when it came down past the Navy Annex it came right down the center of the road here.

[…]

CMH: How high up was the plane would you estimate?

Middleton: Uh, I would say the plane couldn’t have been no more than forty feet up in the air.

CMH: Forty feet?

Middleton: Forty feet. It’s roughly about forty, he was very low because, I guess he was losing altitude because you see he was fighting with it, and then he just, once he got it straightened out the way he wanted it to go after he, he just, you could just, sounded like he opened the throttle up. Because you know how when a plane is landing how it has that little whistling sound, that’s the way it sound when it came past me like he had, slow to make his turn and then when he got where he wanted to go he just went full throttle.
 

William described the exact same thing to us in 2008. He described a slow banking, struggling turn towards the Pentagon directly over the ANC employee parking lot which is only reconcilable with a north side approach

Here is the flight path that William drew during our June 2008 interview with him, excerpts of which are seen in National Security Alert.

 

 

George Aman

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CMH catalog number:
NEIT-419
Interview date:
12/13/2001

  George Aman is yet another Arlington Cemetery employee and a confirmed, definitive north side approach witness, yet he isn’t included in the National Security Alert presentation simply due to time constraints. You can hear our 2008 audio recorded independent interview with him at the beginning of Part 2 of The North Side Flyover.

His official interview with the CMH was recorded on December 13th, 2001 when he was clearly describing the plane banking over their parking lot which corroborates everyone else and is exclusively reconcilable with a north side approach.  From NEIT-419 (pp. 5,19; emphasis added):
George Aman: ... So I said I'm sitting here at the desk, I open up my things here and I'm looking out and I see this big, large airplane and it looks like, I thought it was going to hit this building here.  So I was just looking out here and I see this airplane coming down here and I thought it was coming, going to hit this building.  And I said good God Almighty.  So I'm just petrified.  I'm looking. The plane flies right over the parking lot here...

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CMH:  when you first saw it from here to there, how long did it take?

Aman:  From here to over there?  Matter of seconds.  When I seen he was kind of turning and gliding when he came across here, across the parking lot but when he got out right in front here, it sounded like he poured the coals to it.
It is not reasonable to suggest that he would mistake a plane on the perfectly-straight official flight path way over on the south side of the gas station traveling 460 knots as “turning and gliding” over the ANC employee parking lot right in front of him. This is particularly the case since the flight path he describes has been corroborated by everyone else at ANC.

 

 

Sean Boger

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CMH catalog number:
NEIT-299
Interview date:
11/14/2001

  Sean Boger was the air traffic controller in the Pentagon heliport tower right next to the alleged impact point.  No questions about the flight path or exact location of the plane as it approached were asked of Sean by the CMH in this official interview from November 14th, 2001 so it’s a good thing we were able to confirm these details with him directly as shown in National Security Alert.

In this official interview from November of 2001 he admits to hitting the deck, but strangely claims he did this after watching the plane allegedly enter the building.  The notion that plane hit the building is mutually exclusive with the flight path he describes observing for "between 8 and 15 seconds", which had the plane banking to its right on the north side of the gas station.  Since this flight path has been corroborated by every other witness who has been willing to go on record in an independent interview and who was in a position to judge the plane's location in relation to that landmark, we have determined that he likely reacted as anybody would and hit the deck as soon as he realized there was a plane headed right towards him, which is what it would look like as it banked toward the Pentagon on the north side flight path.

Another important detail he conveyed in both interviews is how Bush had left from the heliport the day before and was scheduled to arrive there on 9/11 at 12:30  In his CMH interview he said (pp. 4-5):

On September 10th, it was kind of busy because the President flew out.  He flew out that Monday, and whenever the President flies out, it is always a dog and pony show, you know.

You have got the Secret Service guys coming around and the dogs sniffing, and everything.  So it was kind of like a big old deal.  And so on September 10th, you know it was really kind of busy.  And he was scheduled to come back on September 11th.

So we know it was going to be another dog and pony show, but we didn't think it was going to happen that soon.

This “dog and pony show” he described provided the perfect distraction and excuse for complicit operatives to do whatever needed to be done to prepare for the event, including staging of the light poles.

 

 

Maria De La Cerda

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CMH catalog number:
NEIT-567
Interview date:
2/6/2002
  Maria is a career musician with the Army band.  You can hear our 2008 audio-recorded independent interview with her (excerpts of which are featured in National Security Alert) in Part 2 of The North Side Flyover  In addition to supporting a north side approach in this 2008 interview she also confirms another very important point from her official interview.  She told us she thought it hit “on top”, but she went even further with the CMH in 2002 by stating she thought it hit the “other side”!

Here is her quote from NEIT-567:

...And we're facing the site that was struck.  And that's what was also weird, is that it seemed like it struck on the other side whereas I found out later, I saw it so that whatever plane that disappeared, it was it happened so quickly.

This simply does not make sense with the low and level impact into the side of the building, yet it makes perfect sense that this would be her impression if the plane flew over the building timed with a huge explosion.

 

 

William Lagasse

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LOC Interview date:
12/4/2001

  No questions were asked pertaining to the location of the plane or the flight path during this Library of Congress interview .  Nothing Sgt. Lagasse says in this interview contradicts what he told us in the interview we filmed with him on location at the gas station in 2006, excerpts from which appear in National Security Alert.   An extended version of this 2006 interview can be seen in The PentaCon: Smoking Gun Version.

As explained in National Security Alert, Sgt. Lagasse is on record as far back as 2003 saying that the plane was on the north side of the gas station when he told 9/11 researcher Dick Eastman that he was on the "starboard side" of the plane.  The starboard side of the plane is the right side.  The only way Sgt. Lagasse could be on the starboard side of the plane is if it were on the north side flight path.

Here is the flight path Sgt. Lagasse drew for us during our 2006 interview.  As seen in National Security Alert, he told us he was "100 percent" certain that the plane flew on the north side of the station, and said he would "bet [his] life" on it.





Sgt. Lagasse has been made aware of the implications of the plane flying on the north side of the gas station.  He still stands by his account, and has said that he would testify to the plane flying on the north side of the station in a court of law.

 

 

Chadwick Brooks

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LOC Interview date:
11/25/2001

  No questions were asked regarding the location of the plane or the flight path, so nothing in this interview contradicts what Sgt. Brooks told us about the north side approach in 2006.  However, in this official interview he does state that he watched the plane hit light poles.  A plane on the north side of the gas station cannot hit the light poles; the two claims are mutually exclusive.   He cleared up this discrepancy for us in person, on camera and on location, admitting that he did not see the plane hit the light poles, as it was quite clear that the light poles were not even visible to him from that distance.

Our complete independent interview with Sgt. Brooks, filmed in 2006, can be viewed in The PentaCon: Smoking Gun Version.  Sgt. Brooks has seen this video, and told us that it was an "eye-opener", and that "anything is possible" in terms of him being fooled about the impact.  He still stands by his account of the plane flying on the north side of the station, and has said that he would testify to this in a court of law.

As seen in National Security Alert, here is the flight path that Sgt. Brooks drew during our 2006 interview.

 

 
Roosevelt Robert Jr.



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LOC Interview date:
11/30/2001
  Roosevelt's is one of the most important accounts presented since he actually witnessed the plane flying away from the building immediately after the explosion.

In this official interview, recorded only a few weeks after the event, you can hear Roosevelt describe it as what he thought was a “second plane”. 

The pertinent details regarding timing, altitude, and description were confirmed in our independent audio interview recorded in 2008, which can be heard in Part 2 of our presentation The North Side Flyover.  Excerpts of this interview are also featured in our video National Security Alert.

We now know for a fact that the only explanation for the "commercial aircraft" that he describes at about “50 feet” altitude banking and flying away from the building immediately after the explosion could only have been the same attack jet that everyone else witnessed banking on the north side flight path seconds earlier on its approach toward the Pentagon.